The green hills of Earth part 1

NB: Many of the comments quoted here have since been deleted by straydog, ostensibly to tidy up his channel comments section, and to remove things that aren’t actually correct. It does have the added bonus, for him, of hiding all the fuck-ups he makes. Anything quoted by me here is directly from his comments, whether they are there now or not. Nothing has been added, taken away or otherwise altered, and I make every effort to ensure they are in context.

This topic that has created a lot of comment as he backs and forths with the occasional person who isn’t actually him in his comments section.

It’s created so much comment, in fact, that I’ve had to split the original page up into sections, because there’s a limit to how much bullshit one page can hold.

The last page listed below contains the most recent contributions. The other pages are linked to below, with brief summaries in case you need to catch up with previous elements of the discussion. There’s some overlap between them. In truth, it could all do with a re-write and a re-order, but he really isn’t worth the effort.


“And then, your eyes reach upward to the blue and white Earth, hanging with no relative motion over the southwestern massif wall of the valley.” Jack Schmitt, Apollo 17.


“Man, if they don’t like this [photo]…” I said as I tried to get Cernan, the Rover and the Earth, (over the South Massif and elevated about 45 degrees) in the same frame.” Jack Schmitt, Apollo 17.


“Oh, man. Hey, Jack, just stop. You owe yourself 30 seconds to look up over the South Massif and look at the Earth!” Gene Cernan, Apollo 17.


Jenny’s right in one of her comments: this is stupid. It’s got beyond tedious. It’s repetitive and futile, but straydog is the one pinning his entire argument on figures that are demonstrably incorrect. It’s a monument to hubris. OK fine, it’s not up there with Ozymandias but it’s the same deal. He can bluster and obfuscate all he wants, but he can’t reproduce, on his own without help, anything that proves his point. As long as he insists 2+2 = 5 and black = white then it will be corrected. He can wail about it all he wants.

He can also insult people all he likes (and he does), it will not change the fact that he’s wrong and his interlocutors are just not going to let that stand. There are also no lies on this page. I have posted nothing that isn’t true, or that I firmly believe to be true. The only lies are his in blue text. Let’s summarise where we are:

-By using values from orbit: false

-By using the top of the south massif to derive elevation: false

-By not incorporating libration: false

-By using incorrect coordinate references: false

-By using inaccurate ephemeris tables: false

-By using the LM tilt as a basis for calculation: false

-By using any kind of landscape: false





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